Adobe Drops Eligibility Requirements for CC Photography Bundle

I received an email from Adobe’s marketing staff today, which basically says that for a limited time, Adobe is now dropping eligibility requirements for its Adobe Creative Cloud Photography Bundle, which goes for $9.99 per month and includes Photoshop and Lightroom. This basically means that you do not have to prove ownership of any Adobe product in order to qualify for the $9.99 per month pricing. As you might already know, the photography bundle started back in September. Since the launch price of $20 per month for each application was too steep for many creative professionals and hobbyists, Adobe’s initially projected goal was not met. So in a desperate measure to increase the number of subscribers, Adobe dropped the price down to $9.99 per month, but with one condition – one had to prove ownership of CS3 or later in order to qualify. While it sounded like a good deal, many were ticked off when they found out that their particular version was not eligible for the photography bundle deal. Now Adobe is in yet another desperate mode to increase the number of subscribers, so it has dropped this requirement completely.

Adobe Photoshop CC

If you remember from a while ago, we posted a detailed article heavily criticizing Adobe for its move to the cloud and the gloom future of Photoshop as a retail product. We then followed up with another post when we found out that Adobe’s systems were hacked and user accounts, credit cards and other personal information were stolen. And we definitely were not the only ones that were highly critical of Adobe’s Creative Cloud. It seems like all the negative press had an adverse effect on Adobe’s financial forecast, which was to close off 2013 with a total of 1.25 million subscribers. Although Adobe did surpass the 1 million subscriber mark a couple of months ago, it looks like it still did not meet the projected numbers. Hence, it is taking yet another desperate measure to lure in more customers.

One thing for sure, at $9.99, it is hard to complain about the price anymore. At $120 per year for a full version of Adobe Photoshop (which normally retails for $650), plus Lightroom (which currently sells for $150), it would take over six years to justify the full cost of retail boxed versions of software. And that’s without adding the cost of upgrading when new versions of Lightroom come out (Photoshop is not upgrade-able, but Lightroom is). So this is definitely an attractive deal for someone that does not own Photoshop or Lightroom and does not want to invest $800 upfront. At the same time, one might argue that the $9.99 per year price is only for the first year and that the price will go up in the future. I wondered about that myself and asked Adobe if the price is only introductory. I was told that the photography bundle price will stay at $9.99 going forward, as long as you “lock in” at that rate. Now there is no guarantee that the price will stay at $9.99 forever, but I was told that it would not fall back to the regular price of $20 per application after the first year. Don’t know how much of this is true, since the information is not official.

Adobe Lightroom CC

Given how many issues Adobe has had with its Creative Cloud’s security earlier this year, it is hard to say if Adobe will be able to convince more people to switch. In this case, the low price is Adobe’s last attempt to sell something that many actively resist. And dropping the requirement to own a previous product means that Adobe simply does not care anymore if you have invested in their products before – it just wants your subscription, period. Another type of consumer Adobe wants to get is one that has been using pirated versions of its software. If no purchase history has to be proven, it makes it easy to take advantage of the $9.99 deal and have a chance to own licensed software.

Here is the letter that I received from Adobe:

Hello,

Adobe initially launched the Photoshop Photography Program in September to support the needs and workflow of photographers who use CS3 or later. Now, for a limited time, Adobe it is extending this offer to all photographers for $9.99/month as an annual subscription – valid from Nov. 20 (9:00 a.m. PST) through Dec. 2, 2013 (11:59 p.m. PST) on Adobe.com.

The Program offers access to Photoshop CC and Lightroom 5 (plus respective feature updates and upgrades as they are available), 20GB of cloud storage and Behance ProSite, all via Adobe Creative Cloud all for $9.99/month as an annual subscription.

Upon the expiration of this limited offer, the Photoshop Photography Program will continue to be available for $9.99/month to those photography customers who own a previous version of Photoshop Photoshop Extended, or Creative Suite, version CS3 or later (CS3.x, CS4, CS5.x, or CS6). This offer expires Dec. 31, 2013. For more information on the Photoshop Photography Program, visit http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html#pslr-bundle.

Please share this deal with your readers and let me know if you have any questions.

Adobe

If you would like to take advantage of this offer, follow this link to sign up.

Comments

  1. 1
    ) Autofocusross
    November 21, 2013 at 4:56 am

    Hi Nasim, thanks for the heads up on the new ‘deal’ from our Adobe ‘friends’.

    I’ve been a bit irked about Adobe for three years now, chiefly because they don’t provide much updating in the ACR product, which you need if you shoot NEF (RAW) in order to convert and adjust your images.

    I own CSS 5.1 and have NO intention of paying a monthly rent for a higher version. The fact that ACR only supports my lovely D5200 in version CSS 6 or higher means I can’t use my owned product to do this anymore. I first tried the DNG converter (thanks to your article on this site) which did get me around the problem. After DNG conversion, I was able to use CSS 5.1′ version of ACR to edit the images as usual.

    However – about three weeks ago I tried DXO Optics Pro 9 Standard. This HAS support for the D5200 and they keep adding support for new cameras all the time. The only issue here is, if you have a ‘higher’ camera, such as a D800 then you are expected to buy the ‘elite’ version and not the ‘standard’ version, for support on those cameras.

    Having downloaded the free trial and used it for three weeks, I bought it yesterday. It is fantastic, far better than ACR. In my case, unlike many I guess, Photoshop itself was a bit of a waste of money – as 90% of my post production was done in ACR anyway.

    Optics Pro 9 is a fantastic alternative to ACR and gives me all I need, and a heck of a lot more – I suggest anyone who hasn’t seen it should dowload the trial and give it a good go. The interface is a litte unusual so give it time, it is well worth it.

    For those rare images which actually do need photoshops (main program) attention, I save the image in Tiff format out of optics pro, and then load the tiff into photoshop css 5.1.

    Nasim, maybe you can advise me, is this the best quality output I can get from optics pro? by that, I mean, the best quality for workflow, taking the image on to photoshop later, or is there a different image output in optics pro that would yeild even better results for photoshop processing?

    Thanks for all the articles and reviews, its a pleasure to visit this site.

    Ross

    • 11
      ) Art
      November 21, 2013 at 7:32 am

      Thanks for the information on DXO Optics Pro 9. I am going to download the trial version and give it a go. I am always looking for alternatives for anything Adobe.

      Regards
      Art

      • 25
        ) Autofocusross
        November 21, 2013 at 12:40 pm

        Hi Art, I hope you love it. I hardly use photoshop’s main program at all, most of the corrections and adjustments are available in ACR so it was getting a bit silly to expect me to pay all this money just so I could convert my NEF’s.

        I think Adobe will regret, for many years to come, doing what they did – bad enough we had to ‘update’ every year or so because ACR didn’t support new cameras as they came onto the market.

        I gather DXO Optics Pro has a habit of launching new versions fairly frequently, but I got my order in at the introductory price of 79 UK pounds, I think it’s reg price is 129.

        That, compared to Photoshop, in the days when you could actually buy it, is a huge bargain.

        I guess Art, it all comes down to how much you are (were) using the main Photoshop program. If, like me, most of your post production was in ACR, I think you’ll love DXO, once you figure out how it works.

        I do hope you find your way around it and agree with me. The sharpness, and support for new hardware is amazing. They test virtually every camera, and lens, and then, every combination, and create profiles for ‘camera B and Lens 7′ – today I took delivery of a new lens, took some shots, loaded them up in DXO and a message flashed up – the profile for D5200 and 18-140mm lens is required for this photo, download now Y/N?

        And these are included in the price, the exif informs DXO what you used, and downloads the camera and the lens profiles for you – great!

    • 36
      ) paulski
      November 22, 2013 at 6:42 am

      So, how is DxO as a workflow solution? I currently use Lightroom to manage all of my photos; does DxO compare favorably in this regard?

      • 37
        ) autofocusross
        November 22, 2013 at 7:07 am

        Hi Paulski,

        Unlike you, I was using Bridge > ACR > ‘sometimes Photoshop’ to produce finished images. Bridge is a bit like the indexing in Lightroom, where you can list your images in folders and browse them, but it does no editing at all, you need to take the image from Bridge into ACR for adjustments. My typical work in ACR would include distortion correction, light balance, exposure correction, sharpening and colour balance sometimes.

        All of this is available in DX Optics pro but the big thing about it is that, because the DXO people have written the software specifically to accept ‘profiles’ for ‘camera with lens’ combinations, when you load up a NEF image into DXO, the software reads the exif, works out which camera and which lens made the image, and applies most of these corrections automatically.

        Some may object to this, but beleive me, it reallly works!.. but once the software has done it’s magic, you can then re-visit each setting and manually fine tune it yourself to get the result YOU want, if you feel the corrections are ‘off’ for a given image.

        I find myself cranking up the sharpness a tad, and find no penalty in noise, as long as the changes are subtle.

        It’s hard to understand unless you have used it, but, the fact that your copy of the software is set up for YOUR camera(s) and YOUR lenses means that generic corrections are not made, but rather, particular corrections are made to your images. For example, I got my new 18-140mm lens two days ago. I shot a row of wall mounted bookshelves in my study as a test shot. When I viewed these initially, the shelves showed barrel distortion (lens was at or near the 140mm end).

        When I loaded the NEF into DXO, a split second after loading, the shelves were straightened perfectly – the software recognising the lens used and correcting for it, rather than, the software looking at the image, and correcting the image (read this a few times so it makes sense).

        It is very unusual, but so far, 4 weeks in, I bought it, after an extended free trial period, and I still love it. There are times you want to do other things, and for that, I save out of DXO as a TIFF and then use photoshop, or ACR to do those things. I am sure that DXO can also do them, but I am still on the learning curve.

        I think Adobe had better watch out – this is great software.

        Hope that helps…

        Ross

        • 39
          ) Alan
          November 22, 2013 at 8:54 am

          Ross,

          Couldn’t have explained it any better myself. I have been using DXO since version 4 and recently upgraded to Elite when I started using my D800. It does take a little getting used to but once you have the idea of how it works, it is excellent for producing Tiff’s (or Jpeg’s) for adjustments in your favourite software.

          I usually let it do it’s own thing, automatically, but if I feel I can improve on the result it gives (not very often) I will make my own adjustments and then let it process to these manual adjustments. There are several camera/lens combinations upgrades throughout the year with (usually) a major update every year which costs a very affordable £50 – £60.

          The geometric adjustments are great although some of my older MF lenses are not in their database which is a shame but it still does an excellent job on colour, contrast and exposure but most importantly (to me) produces a Tiff with the correct noise reduction and sharpness, specific to the camera sensor.

          I still use CS3 at the very end if I need some cloning etc.

          If I can help anyone to get started on DXO, just ask.

          • 41
            ) autofocusross
            November 23, 2013 at 5:12 am

            Hi Alan, yes, as a DXO user of longer standing than my 4 weeks, I imagine you can do a lot more than I with the program. The wonderful thing about it that I was trying to clubsily convey was that it corrects to a personal profile of the lens / camera combination that you own, but NOT just for the (barrel) distortion example I gave.. but also chromatic abberation, sharpness fall off in corners, vignetting, it just goes on and on. I truly feel that Adobe are going to be blown out of the water before long, as long as DXO recognise loyalty to it’s customers and don’t start putting silly prices on the product. Of course, we can only speak at a moment in time – but I truly think that by the time Optics Pro V 11,12, 13 have arrived, we’ll be dumping adobe forever.

            • 42
              ) paulski
              November 23, 2013 at 6:34 am

              Thanks guys.

              I downloaded and tried it some yesterday. My first impression: very nice. The noise reduction (ease and quality) are outstanding.

              I may still get the Adobe products, or may get both. I’ll have to play around some more…

            • 44
              ) Alan
              November 24, 2013 at 3:58 am

              Again, you have hit the nail on the head. Hopefully DXO will appreciate customer loyalty – unlike Adobe. I have found DXO to be very prompt on queries which IMHO, is always a good sign.

              Just in the process of loading up NEF’s I shot yesterday into my DXO, which will make adjustments my D800 wasn’t able to do!

      • 57
        ) Claustral
        November 28, 2013 at 4:23 am

        I’ve been using DxO and LR for many years now and I think there is a case for both. Each has their strengths and weaknesses. I use DxO for images where: geometry is critical or when I’ve used a high ISO since the new “PRIME” NR comprehensively beats anything else at the moment.
        I use LR when I need to make important local adjustments, recover very blown highlights, lift deep shadows or use split toning. DxO can’t quite match LR for extreme tonal adjustments and it has almost no local adjustments at all.
        DxO’s own output to JPG doesn’t quite match LR’s. Fewer options and *slightly* poorer quality.

        Finally there’s the question of file management. LR of course assumes you do all you file management though its interface, whereas DxO assumes you manage your files some other way (eg via the OS or Photo Mechanic). You can manage files in LR and use DxO for the occasional image, but LR won’t show your edits non-destructively and if you don’t do it right LR will lose track. So, this is where things get messy. Personally I hate LR’s database approach and wish it could be turned off, but I understand for photographers with high volumes it can be very helpful.

        • 60
          ) paulski
          November 29, 2013 at 6:39 am

          Well, dammit. I was all ready to pull the trigger on DxO Optics. I got an email offering a price of $99 through the end of the year. I was going to go ahead and do the Adobe bundle and DxO, and try out using both in my workflow. But…

          Then I saw that the d600 is considered “elite,” and the sale price on the elite version of the software is $199. Just too much for me, despite how much I’ve enjoyed playing with it.

          Oh well…

  2. 2
    ) Marko
    November 21, 2013 at 5:00 am

    Kind of deal breaker for me. Fair price.

  3. 3
    ) KSPGM
    November 21, 2013 at 5:38 am

    fair price now …. but no guarantee that once locked in it will not rise and rise …? As an amateur user I resent subscription services. I like to pay up front and decide myself when to upgrade. The cost is done and dusted once and for all.

    Adobe’s policy means that I am now also begining to worry about converting my RAW to DNG …. could I loose control ?

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      ) John
      November 21, 2013 at 5:52 am

      Buyer Beware—

      This $9.99 price will go up after 12 months if you do not own CS3 or higher. I almost signed up until I saw this buried in the terms

      “Renewal
      After the first 12 months, we will automatically renew your contract based on the current price of the offering.”

      thanks but no thanks Adobe. 95% Lightroom + 5% Elements is still my cost effective solution.

      • 13
        ) HomoSapiensWannaBe
        November 21, 2013 at 7:36 am

        John,
        Thanks for posting this info. I figured as much and will NOT be signing up for this. I wonder if this somewhat desperate offer means Adobe are losing market share to other — possibly superior — products?

      • 14
        ) paulski
        November 21, 2013 at 8:17 am

        I’m not sure why you interpret this as saying that the price will go up after one year.

        “Renewal
        After the first 12 months, we will automatically renew your contract based on the current price of the offering.”

        The current price of the offering is $9.99.

        • November 21, 2013 at 8:30 am

          I think they mean the current price at the time of renewal, not the current price when you signed up.

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            19
            ) John
            November 21, 2013 at 10:01 am

            @ Pat Paul– Exactly Right.

            This is the classic “special introductory price” gambit. If Adobe intended to maintain the $9.99 price they would have said so clearly.

            I love my Adobe Lightroom and would add the full PS if the price was guaranteed to continue at $9.99.

            @HomoSapiensWannaBe– My guess is that this is about signing up more subscribers in order to have a more predictable cash flow. Accountants love subscriptions more than single sales for that reason.
            I really don’t think there is anything superior to LightRoom, at least not for my needs.

            • 31
              ) Jay
              November 21, 2013 at 10:16 pm

              Adobe will always have renewal specials to keep you on the fix! So don’t worry about the price going up.

  4. 5
    ) Neil
    November 21, 2013 at 6:18 am

    I was very critical of CC when it was announced as the only path. I softened up a little when I realized that Adobe doesn’t care, or even factor in, amateurs like myself who use it for personal projects and fun. It doesn’t matter that I’ve been using Photoshop for over a decade and a half or how much I’ve spent with them.

    I almost signed up for the $10/mo deal when it was announced. But then I realized something, I don’t really need it anymore. Third party plugins now run in their own app space and are really just links from PS. Photo Ninja is a better raw processor than Lightroom. There are targeted astrophotography apps out there that do a far better job in that niche than PS. I don’t need to pay the Adobe tax anymore. I’ll just keep using my CS6 until it won’t work on OS X 10.10 or whatever.

    And this opens the door for other alternatives from other vendors. Good times ahead.

  5. 6
    ) Winston Cooper
    November 21, 2013 at 6:40 am

    Adobe may actually suck me in on this one. I own and use Elements, also LR but never use it. I have always wondered if the CS products could offer that much more but was resistant to the price. Now for 120 bucks, paid out over a year, I can find out. As for the automatic renewal, if I decide I don’t want it or the price leaps to much and Adobe will not accept my cancellation, a simple notice to my financial institution will shut them out.

  6. November 21, 2013 at 6:48 am

    I understand if you don’t like the subscription plan. I happen to like it as I have seen several very cool upgrades to the software that makes CC and LR better, faster and easier to use. I have no problem with those who disagree since I do this for fun and not as a career.

    Nasim, can you confirm that the new 9.99 plan includes upgrades for both products? I was confused from your post where in one spot you seemed to imply that upgrades are only for LR.

    • November 21, 2013 at 11:57 am

      Yes, upgrades are good for both products.

  7. 8
    ) Laszlo
    November 21, 2013 at 6:54 am

    At last but not least: YES!!!!!!!!!

  8. 9
    ) JaneB
    November 21, 2013 at 7:01 am

    I’m still not convinced. I assume signing up to Creative Cloud will mean I have to always have the most up-to-date operating system running on my iMac in order to run their continually updated programs. I can’t afford to buy a new computer more frequently than every seven years, so I can see I’d be stranded in another year or two.

    Don’t fancy being a guinea pig for the inevitable new-release bugs, either (my strategy is to wait a couple of months at least before upgrading).

    This policy seems not only customer unfriendly, but environmentally unfriendly too. Just hope other software firms don’t follow suit, or we’ll all have to junk our machines every two or three years.

  9. 10
    ) Art
    November 21, 2013 at 7:24 am

    First off thanks for great web site and all the great information that you guys share with us.

    Even though this a good price Adobe is going to charge my credit card every month for the products use so that means they have to keep my card number and personal info on file. Frankly I do not trust Adobe security measures when it comes to safeguarding personal information stored on their servers. Adobe’s track record on security has not been good over the years. When they allow me to pay for the year in full and not keep any of my personal information on their servers I might consider buying a yearly license. Until then I will just have to make do with software such as GIMP.

    I feel it is ridiculous for me to give up personal information just so that I can have the honor of using some manufactures software. A friend of mine just bought Elements 12 and according to him you must set up an Adobe account to activate the product, which means Adobe now has you’re your info on their servers. Norton also has this policy and I am now using another manufactures antivirus and firewall because of that. In the near future we will not be able to use any software without giving up personal information to the software companies.

    Hopefully software companies will once again allow to buy a license to use the software without any strings attached. I know that this is not going to happen, but I can only dream.

    Regards
    Art

  10. 12
    ) Randy
    November 21, 2013 at 7:33 am

    I don’t think “Adobe Drops Eligibility Requirements for CC Photography Bundle” is accurate. The word “drops” is too strong (and too good!) It should be “Adobe SUSPENDS Eligibility Requirements for CC Photography Bundle” to those who act before Dec., 2 after which time the original offer limited to CS3+ owners will continue to the end of 2013.

    • November 21, 2013 at 11:58 am

      Randy, the original title included the words “for a limited time”, but I had to make the title shorter, since it did not fit. I apologize if the title is misleading – the text explains everything in detail and specifies that it is for limited time only.

  11. November 21, 2013 at 8:27 am

    Nice try, Adobe, but until I know what the price will eventually be, I am sticking to what I have. I don’t want to get used to Photoshop CC at $9.99/mo. and then have the price climb to an unaffordable rate a year or two down the road. I hope to be retired in a few years and I don’t want “surprises”! (I actually like the subscription plan rather than having to pay a lump sum for the “next” upgrade.)

  12. November 21, 2013 at 8:30 am

    For Mac users needing a nef/raw converter, I can’t recommend Capture NX2 highly enough.

  13. 18
    ) Luc Poirier
    November 21, 2013 at 8:46 am

    Hi guys
    Do adobe accept to be paid annually (one annual payment 9.99$ X 12) with a paypal account ?

  14. 20
    ) Frank Jr.
    November 21, 2013 at 11:25 am

    While this latest news by Adobe may seem attractive to new struggling professional photographers, as a armature photographer I refuse to be at Adobe’s pricing mercy in the future. Arguably Adobe has the best imaging software available, but it has not risen in importance to the level of my home mortgage, phone and utilities, which I pay monthly for. Also is there any consideration by Adobe for the folks that recently purchased this cloud based software at $20 a month?

    I for one will continue with the older boxed versions I currently own. Adobe could still do the right thing and offer the option to purchase the boxed versions “with updates”. At 650 and 150 retail, that would seem the right thing to do.

    Until then, thanks Adobe, but no thanks.

  15. November 21, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    It seemed like most of the initial complaints centered on the cost for the whole suite. I can barely figure out Ps. I don’t need the Suite. Now that it is just Ps CC and LR, the cost is reasonable. No huge upfront outlay. No worries that you buy now and an upgrade shows up in 6 months. I get updates quickly. They add up over time. I am not an apologist for Adobe. I wish they would use both pricing models. But, if the worry is you are “trapped” with a monthly bill that will increase, you can always cancel and go back to your boxed copy. I don’t see the trapped argument. You owe them nothing. You don’t like the price increase, exercise your right to leave. If I leave, I have my catalogue and I have lost nothing. I can decide then.

    As with everything, competition is increasing and we are getting more and more options. Other companies can fill the boxed void. LR5 and PS6 (and 5 and 4) are great products. You can stay in that world for a long time. If you do that, I bet there will be lots of opportunities to buy the monthly pass, but it might cost you more than the “early adopters”.

  16. 26
    ) Hugh
    November 21, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    In The Netherlands, the price is Eur 12.29 per month (including VAT). At the current exchange rate that translates to $ 16.55. This is not an attractive price at all.

    But worse -imho- is that it is a subscription model. If you, for whatever reason, terminate it, you cannot do anything anymore with your own files – better hope you exported all your images to high quality JPEG or TIFF. For this reason I will resist SW rental to the hilt, regardless of manufacturer; I value my data and the ability to keep processing it any way / time I wish.

    I recently have bitten the bullet and bought LR5 (coming from DxO but not willing to pay the Elite version now that I have a D800), luckily at a that time Adobe had a special going for some 120 Euro (in stead of 150), less than a year subscription and with the local adjustments I can live without Photoshop.

    Incidentally, the Dutch site is very specific: the first renewal will be for the price at the time of initial subscription, i.e. now if you buy today. No guarantees for the 3rd year, however.

    • 45
      ) Allan Wood
      November 24, 2013 at 4:43 pm

      So, no backwards compatibility, is that what you are saying? If so, that is an issue. I currently use LR4 and Ps6. Eventually, if I get a new camera, PS6 and ACR will not support that. LIghtroom possibly, depending on how long I wait, and changes to adobe business model. Eventually, as in operating systems, support and updates get dropped. I think that is reality, even though I am less than impressed with Adobe arrogance.

  17. 27
    ) Bill
    November 21, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Hopefully they have taken care of their network issues where everyone’s information was stolen in September

  18. 28
    ) Frank Jr.
    November 21, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Addiction and The Old Bait and Switch

    Giving Adobe more thought and consideration with their latest offer/attempt to lure us into a yearly contract with the mere price of $10.00 per month, I may give them more consideration………………

    Ok I did.

    Listening to that small voice in the back of my mind, I realize I would grow dependent on having their latest software. What happens after this first year of being so “comfortable”? Adobe increases their price for my next year. Do I refuse and go through withdrawal and remorse, or pay their ransom and be held hostage to yet another yearly contract?

    This scenario may seem extreme and over the top, but think long and hard before taking their bait that will most probably, and all too soon, switch on you……..

  19. 29
    ) Grimbot
    November 21, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    As soon as Adobe made the announcement about their ‘cloud’ strategy I started looking for alternatives and ended up buying DxO Optics Pro 8. Since CS6 does not have all of the latest Nkkor lens profiles I now use DxO Mark’s product most of the time….and as other posters have commented….I will sometimes export a tiff and do a bit of work in CS6 with it.

    I shoot with a D800 and a Nikon 1 V2….RAW files from the latter seem to quite like DxO Mark and I seldom put them through CS6 except for downstream tweaks.

    I think Adobe has shot themselves in the foot big time and many users will simply switch to other competitive products. I see no reason what-so-ever to give Adobe a nickel when Optics Pro 8 works so well as my ‘first level’ software. I can always use CS6 for additional tweaks later and use my Nik and Topaz plug-ins at that point.

  20. November 21, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    Still (and forever) resistant to Adobe’s subscription software, I have lately plunged into alternative free Gimp. Have read mostly bad press about it so was pleasantly surprised at its’ many features. It’s definitely clunky going though as though engineers were in charge rather than people who actually work with visual images. At the moment it seems to cover all I need right now.

    I still have an ancient PhotoShop 6 and Illustrator (which work perfectly fine) on my old computer, which I’ve kept for any emergency job that might arise.

  21. 32
    ) gregorylent
    November 22, 2013 at 12:01 am

    499 rupees in india .. $7.92 .. shows they are also waking up to the wider world .. a bit

    but i am afraid of adobe, its management, i sense them to be a very devious and insincere company .. not to mentions insecure … yes, i know, a perception .. but that is the basis of reality

  22. 33
    ) sdeleng
    November 22, 2013 at 3:24 am

    I feel a bit duped as I recently bought LR5 and Elements 12 to get around the subscription problem. What worries me and what I don’t understand, is this thing about losing your images if you stop paying out? Can someone explain this more fully to me?

    Re Elements, I opened it once and took flight. Its interface was so childlike and I admit I did not have the patience to work it out. Like many here, I use LR most of the time and very rarely Photoshop as I am principally against over-manipulation. The only plug-ins I like are Nik silverfx and Topaz detail – a bit.

    So I went back to Photoshop CS5 which is doesn’t communicate well with LR5 – it seems not to open with my healing adjustments. LR5 is full of bugs, as was LR4, but once you get used to something, you tend to stick with it. Interested in feedback on Elements though – how is it?

    Finally, in the UK the price is 8.79 which works out at 15$. There is a recession on! I have been cutting costs every which way. It angers me that Adobe charges different prices in different countries for a digital download. Its sneaky.

    • November 22, 2013 at 6:03 am

      Sdeleng: you don’t lose your pictures. They are on your hard drive or wherever you keep them. You subscribe to the software which you download and also keep on your computer. I have PS CC (via the subscription) and PS6 (my last box set) both on my hard drive. If there is an update, you download it to your computer. Once a month, they need to verify that you are still paying so you need an internet connection for that (and the updates, which have been coming about once every 2 months).

      Again, as to the other comments on raising the price in the future, they don’t make sense to me. At $9.99 a month, it would take, 5 or 6 years to cover the upfront cost of a full box (of course, less time for just an upgrade, maybe a year-and-a-half or so). If they price goes up, you can go back to whatever you have today, if you don’t like the deal or buy a box from a competitor, as they are always improving as well. You get PS CC for $120 and you aren’t locked into anything. (I think there might be an annual pay option, but I haven’t looked into it).

      • 40
        ) Hugh
        November 22, 2013 at 11:49 am

        Strictly speaking you do not loose your pictures but you do “loose” the ability to apply or modify the recipe in LR. So if you spend some time in LR (or PS) you cannot re-apply or tweak that and export, even though you still have the raw file and the recipe in the LR database.

        Bottom line:

        # if you did not safe a (high res) JPEG or TIFF, you cannot even print it again
        # if you learned better processing technique (or want a different mood) you cannot redo or tweak your raw conversion

        • 46
          ) Allan Wood
          November 24, 2013 at 4:59 pm

          Is this discussion about backwards compatibility, or lack thereof?

          • 59
            ) Hugh
            November 28, 2013 at 11:52 am

            Sorry no, just about having access to the software at all. If you let your subscription lapse, you have no access to the software anymore. In contrast if you buy the license, it is perpetual and can stay as long on your PC/MAC as you want (provided is survives the OS upgrades or you skip those – so there too there is a practical limit to be fair)

  23. November 22, 2013 at 4:41 am

    Photoshop is not broadband. electricity or gas, so why fall for the same marketing trick of the ‘first year’ deal? I’m sure the reason people haven’t yet signed up is due to a mistrust of Adobe’s intentions, when you make a mistake it takes more than ‘cheap offers’ to get your loyal customers back… we are the people who made Adobe what it is today!
    I’m getting along fine with Photoshop CS3 (for layers and graphics) + Capture One Express (for Raw conversion and adjustments) Thank You:)

    • 38
      ) Luc
      November 22, 2013 at 8:49 am

      Hi Gerald
      I am pretty sure that Adobe is trying to double or triple its user base at that price (9.95$) making the bet that if they increase the price in steps likle maybe next year at 15$ and the next year at 19.95$ that they will not loose all the new comers they attracted at this low introduction price. If they do they will have made a bundle of money from people who would not have even given them a dollar during the first and second year.
      The real question is : Who really need to upgrade to Photoshop CC ? why not using and older version of photoshop and just upgrade LR (acr updated) at 79$ per revisions ? I am pretty sure 99% of photographers do not use 5% of the photoshop capacities. Doing in LR a right click in the develop module after doing the corrections and choosing ”Edit in photoshop CS5″ and choosing “using LR rendering” will automatically create in LR a ”tif” file and open it in CS5 for editing. Yes it takes a little bit more time but it works. Otherwise you will have to create .dng files to open them in Photoshop or fall for adobe.

      Regards

      • 47
        ) autofocusross
        November 25, 2013 at 1:18 am

        Luc, why not go one better and abandon adobe completely – I urge you to try DXO Optics Pro 9 – it is available free for 28 day trial, it replaces ACR and some of the basic photoshop tools, but where it wins over Adobe, apart from a huge price difference, is that the software is ‘camera hardware aware’

        DXO submit every camera and lens, and then every camera and lens combination (within reason) to lab tests to establish where the faults arise. They find CA, Vignetting, focus drop off in corners, and every other fault you can think of. They put these into the softwares resource database, and there they sit unless you need them. I recently bought a new lens, and the first image I loaded into Optics Pro resulted in an alert box opening up. It informed me that Optics Pro had detected the image was shot using xxx camera and yyy lens (yyy lens being my new one) and that I needed the xxx camera WITH yyy lens (fitted) software profile, did I want to download the profile now? (free, or, rather, included in the price of the main software). Answering yes led to a few seconds downloading the profile for the camera and lens combination, after which, Optics Pro auto corrected just about everything, including the barrel distortion I had in the image.

        That’s whats so great, instead of fiddling around with sliders all day, in ACR, optics pro is set up to support your own, personal, camera and lens’ kit. Every time it encounters a lens or camera you have not edited in the software, previously, it provides a new profile to work with your images perfectly.

        You can, if you need to, go on and change things after the auto corrections have been made, but this software saves oodles of time, and I would never go back to Photoshop or ACR as my main editing package, even if it was just a dollar a month!

        If you ask me, Adobe have killed the golden goose once and for all, and I am thrilled that other, better software is now becoming available. We’ll always thank Adobe for getting us this far, but, their pricing, and to be frank, their product, has grown to monster porportions that most photographers only skim 5% of the features, yet pay 100% of the price.

  24. 43
    ) Don B
    November 23, 2013 at 9:53 am

    I purchased Photoshop about 10 years ago, and have purchased most upgrades. I am now a licensed CS5 user.

    Photoshop is still a tough program for me to use, even after all these years. I actually seldom use it, because I get lost in layers and masks. Cs6 did not offer enough upgrade items for me to upgrade to it.

    My biggest problem with Photoshop is that it is so un-intuitive. If Adobe made this program easier to use, I would consider staying with Photoshop. But Photoshop still seems like a program from 1979 to me.

    I hate the idea of subscription software.

    • 48
      ) sdeleng
      November 25, 2013 at 2:07 am

      I agree about photoshop being too much to handle and excessive to requirements, and that is another reason I bought Photoshop Elements. However. I have not tried Elements much yet as when I imported a raw into it from LR5 it became a saved Tiff straight off with that irritating name “file name-Edit” . If you bring this tiff into Elements again to create a variation, it automatically names itself “file name-Edit-Edit’, and so on. I want to name the files myself right from the beginning, such as file number-bw and so on. There is probably a way around this but its finding the time to work it out.

      The same goes for Optics Pro. Learning new software is always time consuming and can be frustrating too. Still, maybe at Christmas I can sit down and give it a go? For sure after reading these posts I will not be signing up to Adobe. By the way, they sent me an email re my info being possibly hacked and I had to change my passwords on many accounts, not just theirs, as a result.

    • 50
      ) Luc
      November 26, 2013 at 8:42 am

      Hi Don
      No way anybody you can learn photoshop alone. We all need training and practice to get good at it. Kelbytraining.com has many courses with exercices that you can download. If you enroll only for 3 days on this course for instance its only 6.99$us.

      http://kelbytraining.com/course/napp_mkloskowski_cs6forbeginners/

      For me kelbytraining was the way to really made me love this program. There is also steeletraining.com that offer a beginners course with exercises for i think 40$us without limits of time playing it as often as you want.

      Good Learning
      Luc

  25. 49
    ) Shankar
    November 25, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    Hi Nasim
    Basic question: does Adobe cc require that images processed with the software are stored in cloud only? Thanks
    Shankar

    • 58
      ) Claustral
      November 28, 2013 at 4:30 am

      No. You can store them anywhere you want.

  26. 51
    ) Pat
    November 26, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    Hi Luc,
    Thanks for the good information about Kelbytraining, but I want to get clear on something. I clicked on the link and saw that PS Basics for Photographers is $199/yr. Then I clicked on PS In Depth-Layers and it says $199/yr. Does this mean that each course is $199/yr or does it mean that I can join for $199/yr and have access to both of these training videos and all the others?

    Pat

    • 52
      ) Shane Arrold
      November 26, 2013 at 10:00 pm

      Hi Pat,

      Don’t 100% quote me but I believe that once you join Kelby learning you have full access to ALL the videos. I actually did this and used it for about a week but found it very confusing. As a complete newbie to Photoshop I found that there was no logical workflow to learn with the Kelby resources.

      I then came across Sean Bagshaw’s tutorial sets which you can find – http://www.outdoorexposurephoto.com/video-tutorials/video-tutorials

      I found these EXCELLENT as it logically takes you through the image workflow process. I bought the package bundling all four packages being – PHOTOSHOP BASICS + DEVELOPING WORKFLOW + EXTENDING DYNAMIC RANGE + GUIDE TO LUMINOSITY MASKS.

      Once I found these, I cancelled my Kelby training and was awarded a full refund (you can always take advantage of this great offer too and see if you feel the same way I did).

      Sean Bagshaw’s tutorials are how I’ve learnt photoshop – and it also helped refine my “extending dynamic range” shooting techniques. As I progess in skill I re-watch some of the more advanced tutorials that Sean offers and I gain new knowledge and understanding each time. I believe if I can master the content in these tutorial processes alone then I will have all the technical tools required to produce consistently outstanding images.

      In NO WAY am I affiliated with Sean Bagshaw or do I gain anything at all from this recommendation.

      • 53
        ) Pat
        November 27, 2013 at 5:51 am

        Hi Luc,
        THANK YOU SO MUCH for your quick response and excellent explanation. I am not a Photoshop newbie, but find myself doing just the basics of Photoshop and not really using it to its fullest. I am, for instance, not clear on masks, smart objects, etc. and I am sure my workflow could use some help! I love layers, but know there is much more I need to learn and would like a fresh start on the Basics. I have, in the past, purchased some of Kelby’s books, etc. and find his “humor” to be distracting and time-wasting. I just checkout Sean Bagshaw’s site and like the fact that I can purchase the videos one at a time which is the way I am going to go for the first one.
        Pat

        • 54
          ) Luc
          November 27, 2013 at 8:41 am

          Hi Pat
          Yes Pat for the year fee ,you have access to unlimited time and lessons . Contrary to Shane comment I don’t find it confusing at all. Its true there are hundreds and hundreds of lessons on every subjects of photography taught by over 50 masters in their own field. Lets say you are a newbie in photoshop and you start with a beginners course given by Matt Kloskowsky for instance he will teach you only the basic of PS and layers but while teaching you the basic he will tell you the name of the course to look at he or another teacher created on layers. The same applies to blend modes, etc. Over that you can learn secrets on shooting landscapes, portraits, weddings, family portraits, travel, flash, etc. given by masters on their own crafts . If you want to get to their professionnal levels sure you will have to spend a huge amount of time, but I don’t think you need to spend that amount of time to become very proficient in PS to bring your pic to a pro level. You can also do a search on a subject that interest you and all the relevant courses will be listed with the name of the trainer. Before or while starting or following a course you can read comments written by attendees, and read a small explanation on every video making that course, and choose that video to have a peak or watch it. You can keep in your favorites courses to access them later more easily.

          Have a good day

          • 62
            ) Pat
            November 29, 2013 at 8:13 pm

            Thanks for your information. I think I am going to go this route since I am probably going to (reluctantly) bite the bullet and go with Photoshop CC. If I go that route, it would be best if I get as much Photoshop information as I can and although I did like what I saw when I went onto Sean Bagshaw’s site, I think I will get more for my money (esp. at $159/yr) going with KelbyTraining.

        • 55
          ) Luc
          November 27, 2013 at 9:19 am

          Hi Pat
          After a search for “smart objects “there is 1:12 hr course from Dave Cross “Mastering smart objects in CS5″ and 3:12 hr “Mastering 3D in photoshop CS5 extended” by Corey Baker., and also “Photoshop type effects” by Corey Barker. On layer masks there are 8 courses that are shown.

          When you reach the page on kelbytraining there is a choice between enrolling or renting for 72 hours at 6.99$us
          Pat I think there is a 40$ discount if you enroll for a year now ( black friday discount) , bringing down the price to 179$
          Bye

          • 56
            ) Luc
            November 27, 2013 at 9:24 am

            sorry 199$-40$ = 159$

            • 61
              ) Pat
              November 29, 2013 at 8:10 pm

              I saw that and that’s the way I think I am going to go. I am just about to make the decision to go wth the Adobe CC and if I go that way, it would be best if I stick with Kelby Training and learn as much Photoshop as I can.

              Thanks for your input.

              In what country are you?

  27. 63
    ) Luc
    November 30, 2013 at 12:08 am

    Hi Pat
    The answer to your question is :
    Canada near the US border, at 25 miles from Montreal and Rouses Point, N.Y

    Have a nice day

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