Adobe Announces Creative Cloud Photography Plan for $9.99

After going back and forth with limited time offers (that got extended several times) to lure photographers into its Creative Cloud platform, Adobe finally decided to create a special, permanent plan specifically for photographers for $9.99 per month. Compared to the $49.99 per month “all inclusive” plan, or the $19.99 per month single app plan that sparked a lot of negativity among the photography community, the $9.99 offer from last year attracted a lot of customers for Adobe, increasing the number of subscribers to close to 2 million. Since the program was introduced, close to half a million people signed up for this plan in just the first quarter of 2014. Since then, the program has been attracting even more subscribers, since $9.99 per month price appears to be much more reasonable for the latest and greatest features that Adobe packs in its Creative Cloud platform.

Adobe Creative Cloud Photography Offer

The sign up process is pretty simple and straightforward. Simply visit the CC plans page on Adobe.com and you will see the $9.99/mo Photography offer on the left side of the screen, as shown in the above screenshot.

With the number of negative comments that we received from our readers on the Creative Cloud platform previously, I wonder if this new offer is going to lure more people into signing up. What do you think? Is this good of an offer to sign up for Creative Cloud, or do you still think the whole idea of a subscription model is evil? Would love to hear your thoughts!

Here is the full press release from Adobe:

SAN JOSE, Calif. — June 18, 2014 — Adobe (Nasdaq:ADBE) today announced the availability of the new Adobe Creative Cloud Photography plan. Designed for anyone interested in photography, the new plan brings together — for USD$9.99 per month — Photoshop CC and Lightroom 5, two tools that have fundamentally impacted how photographs and imagery shape our visual culture, as well as Lightroom’s breakthrough mobile apps on iPad and now iPhone. Also introduced today is the all-new Photoshop Mix, a new iPad app that provides access to powerful Photoshop features normally confined to the desktop, enabling compositing and transformative edits while on the go. Built using the new Adobe Creative SDK (see separate release), Photoshop Mix delivers new levels of Adobe imaging precision and magic to mobile users.

“With our Lightroom products alone managing over 100 billion images, we know there’s a huge appetite from photography enthusiasts to have powerful, world-class software available on their mobile devices as well as their computers,” said Winston Hendrickson, vice president, digital imaging, Adobe. “With Photoshop, Lightroom and new mobile photo apps, we’ve created the most complete photography solution on the planet, ensuring that anyone interested in photography can be creative with their images, no matter where they are.”

Create and Manage Beautiful Images in Photoshop CC and Lightroom 5
Photoshop CC, part of the Creative Cloud Photography Plan, was updated, with stunning new features — as part of a milestone release of Adobe Creative Cloud (see separate press release). Features for photographers, include:

  1. Perspective Warp – The recently introduced capability for fluidly adjusting the perspective of a specific part of your image without affecting the surrounding area.
  2. Blur Gallery motion effects – Two new additions, Path Blur and Spin Blur create a sense of motion, even if not originally captured with a camera, enabling photographers to tell their story or express just the right feeling in an image. There’s also faster performance when creating blur effects with the Mercury Graphics Engine delivering a performance boost with OpenCL.
  3. Focus Mask – Lets Photoshop CC create the first step of a mask by automatically selecting the in-focus areas of an image. The Focus Mask feature works great with headshots and other images that have shallow depth of field.
  4. Content-Aware color adaptation improvements – Previously when using Content-Aware features, if a selected area contained smooth gradients, it didn’t necessarily appear in the final image. Now retouched images using Content-Aware Fill, Move, and Patch gets more seamless and realistic. Additionally, new technology blends areas containing gradients, like skies, to give exceptional results.
  5. Improved stylus support and experimental features for Windows 8.1 – Enjoy smoother brush strokes and a simple out-of-the-box experience with expanded stylus support for Windows 8.1. Turn on experimental features for touch and gesture controls and bigger touch targets on devices like Surface Pro 3.

The Creative Cloud Photography plan includes Lightroom 5 desktop software, a staple for all photographers, making digital photography easier, faster, and more amazing. Photographers can experiment without limits in a nondestructive editing environment and perfect shots with advanced controls for tone, contrast, color, and more. Efficient organizing tools help sort thousands of photos and make it simple to share them almost anywhere.

Mobile Solutions Takes Serious Photography Work Anywhere
Following its April 2014 release on iPad, Lightroom mobile is now available for iPhone. Lightroom mobile for iPhone and iPad provide the most efficient way to manage and edit images across desktops, mobile devices and the Web. The apps can automatically import images from the iPhone camera roll and sync back to a Lightroom catalog on the desktop. Lightroom mobile provides photography essentials, including non-destructive processing of files using Smart Preview technologies to enable professional class photo editing from the confines of the desktop. Quickly apply star ratings, flag or reject images and edit them on iPhone and iPad. Edits and metadata changes automatically sync back to the Lightroom catalog on the desktop and are also viewable from any Web browser at lightroom.adobe.com. Lightroom mobile photo collections are also accessible for users of Adobe Voice, the recently introduced free animated video storytelling app.

Photoshop Mix, provides a connected mobile workflow to Creative Cloud, aimed at anyone who wants access to powerful editing tools on their mobile device. Open Adobe Photoshop documents, individual layers from PSDs, and images from Lightroom mobile. Easily apply looks, create advanced selections and masks, and access advanced Photoshop features like Upright, Content-Aware Fill, and Camera Shake Reduction to take creativity on the go. Then export your layered and masked composition to Photoshop CC for further refinement on the desktop. Share work, or even save it to a Photoshop document for a mobile workflow that works seamlessly with Photoshop CC.

Technology Optimized for Mobile Photography
The Creative Cloud Photography plan’s desktop and mobile apps are connected by a powerful technology designed to enable users to edit and sync photos non-destructively from anywhere. By combining the same non-destructive editing pipeline found in Lightroom and Adobe Camera Raw, with Adobe’s renowned Smart Preview technologies, the amount of information being moved between apps is minimized, without compromising the end result. This gives users confidence that edits will be saved while being able to access their images with unprecedented speed, no matter what device.

Pricing and Availability
Creative Cloud Photography plan is available at $USD9.99 per month. For additional details, please visit www.adobe.com/go/photographyplan.

To get started with Lightroom mobile, visit www.adobe.com/go/lrmobile_getstarted.

Photoshop Mix is free and available for download in the Apple app store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/adobe-photoshop-mix-creative/id885271158. To learn more about Photoshop Mix, please visit mix.adobe.com.

Comments

  1. 1
    ) Jay Gosdin
    June 18, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    I’m one of those that signed up last December before the deadline! I hate that it was a gimmick to get us to sign up since it is now being offered to the whole world. But I am glad that I bought (rented) the product. As more and more features are being introduced, everyone will have to migrate to CC. Sorry folks- it is a reality! Just think how much a month you pay for your smart phone, internet, and cable! This is quite a bargain!

    • 18
      ) Patrick O'Connor
      June 18, 2014 at 7:38 pm

      So far, I’ve held out. I have CS6 and that works pretty good. I don’t think the new features in Photoshop will do anything for my photography. It’s beyond help! ;-) I do, however, have the latest version of Lightroom. In any case, no smart phone or cable. I do, obviously have internet. Maybe I’ll be the last person to use CS6…

      • 23
        ) William Collins
        June 18, 2014 at 8:58 pm

        Agree with you 100%…the new “features” are basically very small and non essential…My workflow would not benefit either….I use many, many layers and plug-ins like Topaz and nIK…all is well with me and CS6…hang in there….there will be another “photoshop” soon…adobe can’t stay on top much longer…there are others looking at new post processing apps….Cheers.

        • 89
          ) A. I. Sajib
          June 22, 2014 at 3:09 am

          While I can’t wait to sign up, I don’t think I should because I already have CS6. I hate Adobe for having too many versions of the same product on sale at the same time. -_-

  2. 2
    ) Dave Culpin
    June 18, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    I think it’s a good offer – my only concern is that there’s no one to moderate future price increases.

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      ) Brian Gaschler
      June 18, 2014 at 3:31 pm

      Hi David,

      That was one of my concerns, too (price increases), before I took the plunge, but really, when does that ever happen in reality? Cell phone plans have only come down; Internet plans have only come down; Adobe products themselves have only come down (remember when Photoshop was thousands of dollars to own, or when Lightroom was hundreds?). I’m no cheerleader for the so-called free-market debate, but in reality, Adobe products will only become more affordable over time. And the more people Adobe can get to use their products, the more likely it will stay around and be updated with increasingly useful features. To me, it’s win-win.

      • 24
        ) William Collins
        June 18, 2014 at 9:02 pm

        thousands of dollars to own? REALLY….MAYBE 500-600 AT MOST….YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE FOOLISH.
        I wouldn’t put money on what you are saying here….

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          ) Brian Gaschler
          June 18, 2014 at 10:04 pm

          Must have struck a nerve, William. Sorry about that. I’ll be more sensitive with my comments while you’re on here trolling.

      • 34
        ) David Thompson
        June 19, 2014 at 1:14 am

        I agree Brian.
        I have held out from joining CC but the price is now worth it for LR and PS combined so I have joined today.

        People spend more than that on magazines in a month.

      • 37
        ) Dave Culpin
        June 19, 2014 at 3:07 am

        Thanks Brian.

        I agree with David Thompson’s comment regarding people spending more on magazines in a month.

        Another point is the price conversion – in USD it is $9.99 per month. At $1.70 to the GBP this equates to £5.88 per month, yet the charge is £8.78 I think. I’m sure there are tax issues at play, but this still seems a little unfair?

        I am currently a LR user (standalone) and have an old copy of PSE. If I subscribed to the monthly deal and then cancelled at a later date, I assume my initial LR licence would still be valid?

        • 38
          ) David Thompson
          June 19, 2014 at 3:14 am

          In the US prices are usually quoted excluding tax whereas in the UK the norm is to include VAT.
          The pre tax price in theUK is £7.14 + vat £1.64

          Still slightly higher but they have to buffer for exchange rate variations.

  3. 3
    ) Gert Germeraad
    June 18, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    I realy hate that Adobe pushes through Creative Cloud, whether I want it or not. I am actually very happy with Lightroom as it is and I use my legally updated version of Lightroom on a daily basis.
    I use a slightly older version of Photoshop, but since I only occassionally work in it, it generously survice my needs. Buying Lightroom in an updated version has untill now been sheaper then a CC contract, and still is in the new setting, but the main reason for not wanting CC is that I myself want to be in control of when to update.

    • 25
      ) William Collins
      June 18, 2014 at 9:06 pm

      TOTALLY AGREE….YOU ARE CORRECT!!!! Why upgrade to cc or even CS7 if you don’t need the upgrades….I also want to own my software…like with a serial number like my CS6. Cheers.

  4. 4
    ) lenco
    June 18, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    I am already on the 9.95 CC plan. Does this new version just update what I already have? I’m reluctant to sign up for the one just announced and duplicate what I now have with CC.

    • 78
      ) Geoff
      June 20, 2014 at 11:35 am

      It updates the software you currently have.

  5. 5
    ) Pascal
    June 18, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    Oh man, why is 9,9 USD equal to 12,29 Euro?????? Adobe, is your calculator broken?
    Anyway, I purchased LR last year due to Adobe’s silly plans. I now have absolutely no interest in signing up for a 12,29 Euro CC.

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    ) Andy Pritchard
    June 18, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    I signed up here in England earlier this year on the £8:50 pm deal, I am so glad that I did as I believe I am getting good value for my money. As an very keen amateur I wouldn’t like to push the £’s too far, but at the money I pay it has really helped my processing. There does seem to be a lot of updates, so not too sure if they are 100% complete, or whether this is just bug fixes.

    Happy for now, just don’t want any surprises when it comes to 12 months renewal.

    Andy

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    ) shawn
    June 18, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    I simply can’t rent software I need to own. I need to be able to update on my terms.

    Further, Adobe can’t even protect CC information never mind the rest.

    For those of you using Creative Cloud, I do hope it works out for you.

    • 14
      ) William Collins
      June 18, 2014 at 4:40 pm

      Well, for myself, I will not rent their software. I have viewed those new things they are adding to the software and they are just not that noteworthy for me. They are minor and in some cases meaningless. Those “new” features are not that important to me….Why would you want to continually change workflows every time a “new” feature shows up….not me….thank you…and further I don’t compare this software with smart phones and so on…..thanks, but no thanks.

      • 19
        ) Jay Gosdin
        June 18, 2014 at 7:50 pm

        You really don’t know what you are missing until you have had training on these new CC features. It is getting incredibly easier using the products with the CC add-ons. So for those of you that don’t think you need CC, I guess the old saying, “ignorance is bliss” applys!

        • 21
          ) William Collins
          June 18, 2014 at 8:36 pm

          I do appreciate you concern…however, I will stick by my decision…no rental for me….there are those of us professional photographers that know how to use CS6 and LR5 to make money without having to always having to change to the new stuff like others….But, again, thanks for your concern.

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          ) Patrick O'Connor
          June 19, 2014 at 9:58 am

          The usefulness of their new features depends on what you’re using it for. In my work as a graphic designer, I could see some occasional benefit to CC’s features. But nothing I can’t do without them. Again, this depends on how you’re using Photoshop. For my photography, both professional and personal, I can’t see anything in CC that would benefit me. I’ve actually tried it so I’m not exactly ignorant (almost and I’m trying to improve that! :-)). Also, I really don’t like some of the changes in CC from CS6. Again, this will be different from one person to the next.

  8. 8
    ) Phillip M Jones
    June 18, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    My problem with subscription beside money (more so than money) is my poor Internet service. I have comcast in a rural area of Virginia and I have to reset my cable model 3-5 times a day where it keeps losing signal acquisition. The procedure takes 5 to 10 minutes each time sometimes I have to try more than once to get it to acquire. Reset involves unplugging Modem and unscrewing cable from modem. Leave unplugged for about 30 seconds, Plug in power. Screw in cable. Then takes 5 to 10 minutes to go through reset sequence. And the sad fact is I am pay for top of the consumer line service (35mb Blast service).

    So subscription is out for me. If I had full unbroken service 24/365 service I would consider but my poor service I would be more without than with.

    • June 18, 2014 at 10:30 pm

      Philip, perhaps you misunderstood how this works, but you do not have to be connected 24/7 for Adobe software to work. The software is downloaded over the Internet for the first time when you set up. After it downloads, it only checks for your subscription every once in a while. You could disconnect from the Internet completely if you want to and the software will continue to run :)

  9. 9
    ) Jan
    June 18, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    I just joinend CC a few days ago, now I need to re-join again?? Anyone else having this problem? Since update Lightroom 5.5. I have to enter a serial number or join for 9.99 (wich I’m already paying) or start a 30 day trial

    • June 18, 2014 at 10:31 pm

      Jan, if you already have a $9.99 plan from the previous promotion, keep that – no need to join or change.

  10. 10
    ) JaneB
    June 18, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    I keep my computers for seven years – at least, that’s how long I’ve managed to keep the last three I’ve owned. Typically (I’m a Mac user), for at least the last couple of years I have a computer, I won’t be able to run the latest software on it. I cannot afford to replace my computer every two or three years, as I imagine I’d be forced to do once I switched to Creative Cloud.

    Nor am I keen on the idea of continually having to learn new tricks. I usually upgrade Lightroom to each new version, but Creative Suite has been every other version, since I don’t use Photoshop or InDesign nearly as much.

    I also don’t trust Adobe not to put the price up again as soon as they feel they’ve caught enough punters.

    • 15
      ) William Collins
      June 18, 2014 at 4:50 pm

      Watch out! If they haven’t already done it, Lightroom will not be available as a stand alone owner piece of software. I use LR and have the 5.4 version….I don’t keep up with Adobe as I one did, so they may have already screwed me by only offering a rental version….no rental for me…thank you.

    • 91
      ) sparda79
      June 25, 2014 at 3:44 am

      “I cannot afford to replace my computer every two or three years, as I imagine I’d be forced to do once I switched to Creative Cloud.”

      I’ve read somewhere I can’t remember where, that because of this reason, Adobe allows you to install the older versions of Photoshop. For e.g. , now Photoshop CC 2014 (ver 15) is out, I can still choose to install the older version of Photoshop CC (ver 14) and Photoshop CS6 (ver 13).

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    ) Brian Gaschler
    June 18, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    Hi Nasim,

    I’ve carefully read your previous articles concerning this debate, but took the Adobe-Cloud-Plunge regardless, a few weeks ago. My decision to do so was simple: I was running a full copy of Lightroom 5 (I still have Lightroom 4 as well) with Adobe Photoshop CS3, which, sadly, would not support any of my Nik or PerfectPhoto plugins as Smart Objects.

    For my workflow, which is mostly professional portrait work for clients and street photos for my own portfolio, I often rely on Nik’s software in particular (especially Color Efex and Silver Efex). As it was before updating to the Cloud, I would need to edit any RAW files as a separate TIFF (with Lightroom edits) in their respective Nik plugin. No history of edits can be recorded with this workflow, so going back to make changes was not possible. For many images, this resulted in numerous TIFF files for the same image, until I arrived at the one I or my client liked best. Having some in colour and some in black/white also increased the number of TIFFS I needed to create and store. Things were getting out of hand from a portfolio and editing perspective, and I was thoroughly annoyed that I could not go back to view my history of adjustments in those plugins. (I resorted to creating .txt files to accompany images, with edting steps I had taken so I could replicate them later–in addition to an overwhelming set of recipes I needed to keep and update, such as “Gaschler_Tonal_Contrast_+_Skin_Tones_#5,” and so on).

    With the Cloud (and running Adobe Photoshop CC), I can now edit an image as a Smart Object in Photoshop, with Lightroom adjustments, and as you probably know, it embeds the original RAW into the PSD file. This means that not only can I have one version of a file, but that I have the whole history of layers built into it, with the option of re-editing the original RAW as a layer in Photoshop, via ACR. If I arrived at a recipe that my client really liked, it became easy for me to go back and see what I did and save this for use on other images in their package, even through batch-editing.

    This feature alone is why I chose to ‘upgrade’ to the Cloud. I spoke with both Nik and Adobe in the past, asking them whether they would support Nik’s plugins on CS3. The answer, not surprisingly, was “no.” Quite frankly, the cost of owning CS6 as a stand-alone application was not something I wanted to front, given that I only use Photoshop for edits on photos that will benefit from the Plugin/Smart Object combination. I also will use the healing brush for blemishes or fly-away hairs in my clients’ faces, or the new Content Aware patch tool to remove that pesky person in the background.

    In short, CS3 just wouldn’t cut it anymore for my preferred workflow, and CS6 was just too expensive to buy at that time. I considered your thoughts on the matter for some time before taking the plunge, but I must say, for $10.00/month, it’s been a real time (and space) saver using the Smart Object / Filter combination. There has been lots of debate on RAW vs. DNG file conversation, with most people I know preferring DNG because they trust that Adobe’s DNG (it’s open-source anyway) will continue to support it. I have no reason to think that Adobe won’t continue to make Lightroom and Photoshop affordable for its users, either, so the threat of Adobe controlling the price is no threat at all to me.

    I’m afraid this is where things are moving, whether I like it or not. Cloud computing is the near-future. My lament over such things always seems to benefit in some way as well. My workflow has vastly improved since moving to CC, and has added the ability to go back to tweak individual layers or see the steps I took to arrive at a finished image. I love that.

    Anyway, that’s my two cents on why I switched.

    Best,

    Brian

    • 16
      ) William Collins
      June 18, 2014 at 4:51 pm

      I wish you the best…no rental for me…

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        ) Brian Gaschler
        June 18, 2014 at 7:25 pm

        Well, William, if it all falls apart somehow, I still have owned versions of Lightroom 4 and 5 and Adobe Photoshop CS3–all of which are still on my computer and still functional. I’ll be out the $120.oo for a year of Adobe Photoshop CC + Lightroom. I guess all the ‘non-rental’ people out there will just hang on to whatever version they have now as their final version? Hope it doesn’t end up being like working on Windows 98 for you all in a few years.

        I think it’s foolish to assume that enough pressure will somehow be put on Adobe to abandon their Creative Cloud endeavours merely from negative comments on blogs, all while millions of converts and new subscribers are signing up. And I think it’s even more foolish to think the bulk of professionals (the working pros who use Adobe products for their businesses and have many computers to run it on) will somehow mind getting all of Adobe’s offerings for a pretty stellar price. Updates to the programmes should not even factor in to the decision, because everyone’s workflow could benefit from change.

        • 22
          ) William Collins
          June 18, 2014 at 8:53 pm

          Well Brian, I am really not interested in you opinion of my stance re cc et al….FYI, I use CS6 and LR5.4 and am good for quite some time…Your big mistake was to not updating you system with newer cs and they came on the market….

          No I will not rent…you can if you like…but, I feel you are the “foolish” one.

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            ) Brian Gaschler
            June 18, 2014 at 10:13 pm

            Well William, I’m sorry to hear that you’re OK with commenting on my opinions, but that you’re not OK with a response to your comments on my opinions. Frankly, I really don’t care if you’re interested in my opinions, anyway. They are in fact mine, and they were in fact directed at Nasim, who in fact is the one who asked for them in his concluding “what do you all think” statement. (Which is in fact the whole purpose of his posting—to find out what we all think.) The myriad of comments you’ve left on other people’s opinions leave little doubt what you think.

            BTW: the “foolish” statement you are referring to, were you to carefully read my above comment, is in reference to the “[assumption] that enough pressure will somehow be put on Adobe to abandon their Creative Cloud endeavours merely from negative comments on blogs.” Feel free to write the final word on this. It is, after all, the Internet…

  12. 13
    ) Brad
    June 18, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    I am not currently a Creative Cloud user and don’t have any immediate plans to do so, but I am glad to see them add more affordable options.

    For those commenting about being forced to upgrade, you do not have to upgrade to the latest version. In fact, Adobe recently added the feature of being able to download and install older versions of the software to address the concerns about having to learn a new version if you needed to reinstall (like on a new computer).

    • 33
      ) JaneB
      June 19, 2014 at 12:38 am

      First time I’ve heard that Adobe are aware that not everyone updates their hardware and OS all the time. That’s a step in the right direction, anyway.

      My other requirement is to be able to use InDesign. I’m hoping Lightroom will evolve to cover my layout requirements for marketing materials and creating ebooks, but it’s not there yet.

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    ) Jay Gosdin
    June 18, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    Another thing you have to understand , is the recent use of tablets and smart phones in our daily lives. With CC, and the announcements today, we are finally using the cloud for what it was intended- seamless use of the light room and PS between our desktops, laptops, tablets, and smart phones. And yes they interface Facebook too!!! So now I am able to do masks on my iPad and it will automatically download through the cloud to my desktop with layer masks in place on my PS display. How great is that! I’m 65 years old and don’t tell me this is all too much for you! And if you don’t have the fast internet and wireless as a resource, than maybe you should just use your ink jet printers and snail mail to send pictures to your family!

    • 51
      ) Patrick O'Connor
      June 19, 2014 at 10:02 am

      These are all great for you but you can’t extrapolate your situation and preferences to everyone else. Do what you like and let others do what they like. I don’t understand why that’s so difficult for some people.

  14. 30
    ) Motti
    June 18, 2014 at 11:17 pm

    And how long this price will hold? Yes, traditionally prices go down but I can’t see Adobe giving up cash. If they think you need them, they will take whatever they can from you. For example, for years prices overseas were (and still are) ludicrously higher than North America without any reason (nor that they ever offered a reason). They realized that people have no choice and they took complete advantage of it (or of pro photographers?).

    I would not be surprise if in the future they will incorporate some limitation to squeeze more cash from photographers.

    I will stay with my CS6. I don’t use any other Adobe CS products anyway and I use Lightroom 90% of the time. In reality, Photoshop now makes even less than 10% of my workflow. I have to assume that most pros are using Lightroom for most of their work the same way I do?…

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      ) Brian Gaschler
      June 19, 2014 at 3:57 am

      Hi Motti,

      For what it’s worth, yes, in my professional and personal photography, Lightroom comprises at least 95% of my workflow. That includes all the organisational elements of the programme. However, having access to Adobe Photoshop CC has enabled me to streamline that workflow when it calls for edits via plugins (e.g. Nik Software), by allowing me to open (and embed) a pre-processed RAW into Photoshop as a Smart Object. I realise this is something all you CS6 users already enjoy. As a contributor to this forum was already keen to mention in reply to one of my earlier posts, the ‘fault’ was mine in not updating my CS3 to CS4 to CS5 to CS6 throughout the years. I will say the ‘fault’ was really my reluctance to continually update my CS version until it because absolutely necessary from a workflow position. And I must say, for me, personally, that time finally came. And by not updating CS3 three times in the past, the savings in money have been significant. I’m now paying US $9.95/month for Photoshop CC (I already own the full versions of Lightroom 4 and 5).

      As I already mentioned in an earlier post, I thought long and hard before going with Adobe’s CC. For me, in the end, $9.95/month is a small price to pay to never have to update versions again. And I have serious doubts concerning Adobe one day strong-arming the entire creative profession with a jump in prices. They would be committing business suicide by doing so. It’s in their best interest to keep innovating products, while simultaneously making them affordable to their dedicated- and new-user base. That’s just good business. And if my knowledge of history is correct, it’s the business model Adobe has implemented since its inception. You’ll all forgive me if I do not remember exactly what my neighbourhood Microcentre computer store charged for the first incarnation of Adobe Photoshop, or Adobe Acrobat, or even Lightroom 1 (which I had, in addition to subsequent versions 2, 3, 4 and 5). But no one can say that any of these programmes have increased in price over the years. Quite the contrary. We’ve seen this same trend in an array of service offerings (e.g. Google Drive’s price plummeting; AT&T’s iPhone monthly charges; etc.). I do remember paying out the nose for unlimited data, text and voice plans with AT&T years ago–in excess of a few hundred dollars per month. I now get that same service for a relatively paltry sum. I also remember paying loads of cash for Nik’s original software bundle, I beleive around $450.00. That same package have been quartered in cost.

      All of this is to say I /will/ be surprised if Adobe (or any other software manufacturer) cincorporates some limitation to squeeze more cash from photographers or other creative professionals. In my mind, the more people Adobe gets to sign on to their CC service, the less expensive it will be in years to come.

      I can’t help but wonder if a lot of this debate isn’t due to some deep-seated anger that programmes such as Photoshop–which have long been out of financial reach of the mainstream–have now become available to the regular Joe. If so, it would not be unlike the angry laments I hear from the Old Guard photographers that scoff at the ubiquity of full-frame dSLRs in the hands of every passing tourist.

      If the whole debate centres on the diminished nature of photography as a (pro)fession, Susan Sontag long ago reified that actuality in her essays on photography (decades ago, really). And every person selling their canvas gallery wraps for $50.00 at their local art festival are contributing to this de-professionalisation just the same.

      “Pro” photographer… I don’t even know what that term means anymore. I’m just glad that the tools photographers use to create their images, have come down in cost significantly over the years, and they have improved in many ways as well.

      For what my thoughts are worth.

      -Brian

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        ) Motti
        June 19, 2014 at 7:44 pm

        Brian,

        You do have a good point and maybe Adobe will not cut the limb they seat on. However, as I said, I do not use any other Adobe programs and paying just to use Photoshop (and even that is becoming less and less) , does not make economic sense.

        Anyway, I am not be their bread and butter clientele. The designers that constantly open Illustrator, InDesign and Photoshop benefit a lot more and will be willing to pay for it.

  15. 31
    ) Abhijit K
    June 18, 2014 at 11:30 pm

    At $10/month its a pretty good option to consider. Currently I have Photoshop CS6 + LR4 – so less tempting for me. But otherwise – Photoshop CS6 student-teacher edition cost $330; LR another $75 for upgrade or on a great deal. So at the cheapest to buy these 2 softwares would be ~$400. You could use this offer for 3 full years – and have access to the latest software.

  16. 32
    ) sceptical1
    June 19, 2014 at 12:06 am

    Hi All,

    Great comments. I see little wrong with their $9.99 except that I have largely stopped using Photoshop. I used to use PS all the time for any layer work, but now with oneOnes Perfect Photo Suite, I do that work there. Further, my Nik Plugins work great from LR5. Right now, I just don’t have a compelling reason. That may change because I figure sooner or later I will incorporate tablets / phones as part of my workflow. When that happens, the CC will look a lot better.

  17. 35
    ) nicholas merton
    June 19, 2014 at 1:32 am

    Why do us Europeans (In my case Irish) have to pay $16.72 pm for the same service?

    • 52
      ) Patrick O'Connor
      June 19, 2014 at 10:04 am

      I would pay $16.72/month to be able to tell people that I’m actually Irish, rather than American with an Irish name! ;-)

    • 60
      ) Motti
      June 19, 2014 at 7:52 pm

      Jokes aside, that is something I find absolutely ridiculous. I was in London two weeks ago and walked into the camera shop at Heathrow. I saw this Lowepro bag, the Low Messenger 160 at 169 BP. I right away searched for it at B&H and it was $127. This is less than half!!

      What is wrong with that? Everything. Unfortunately, not much we can do about it. It has been the case for many years.

      • 82
        ) Robert
        June 20, 2014 at 4:10 pm

        Well Motti, count your blessings.. You could live here in the States where I pay $582/month and my wife pays another $582/month for health care.. Oh, plus we each have to pay the first $600/yr (deductible) before the insurance company pays 80% of the rest. I’m retired so don’t have an employer that helps out, pretty sure your health care is cheaper than here, but in the end we all pay, pay, pay.

        • 84
          ) Motti
          June 21, 2014 at 8:40 pm

          Robert, I actually live in Canada and not Europe :-). Our medicare used to be much better than it is now, however, we still do not have to pay the insane prices our American neighbors have to.

          No doubt, the European medicare (most of Europe) is light years ahead of the US and quite better the the Canadian one :-( . Cheers.

        • 86
          ) Patrick O'Connor
          June 21, 2014 at 9:20 pm

          Health Care and Health Insurance are two different things. You’re paying for insurance, not care. I’m not sure who has the best prices of either but I wouldn’t envy anyone else in the world for the quality of their health care if I were you.

  18. 36
    ) Ron Fullelove
    June 19, 2014 at 1:38 am

    Hi, I currently use elements 10, with topaz and nik plug in’s.
    If I was to upgrade to CC, would I be able to somehow migrate the plug in’s to CC ?????
    Thanks

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      ) Brian Gaschler
      June 19, 2014 at 4:05 am

      Hi Ron,

      I can’t speak to Topaz, but I can say definitively that yes, migrating your existing Nik plugins into Photoshop CC is painless. What you’ll have to do is run the installer for Nik again (without uninstalling Nik). This installer should be readily available via the same link Google sent you via email to install Nik the first time. Just run it again, and it will simply migrate into Photoshop CC (it will ask you which applications to use, just as before, with Photoshop CC added to the list with Lightroom, etc.). As a safe-guard, I would export any custom presets and recipes you have created in Nik as a backup, just in case, but when I reinstalled Nik after moving to CC, all my custom presets and recipes transferred over seamlessly.

      The biggest reason for me to upgrade to CC was to use these same plugins as Smart Objects in Photoshop, instead of opening up an image as a TIFF in the plugins’ respective application, which does /not/ allow you to re-edit individual layers after saving the TIFF. There are also brush functions that are now usable in Nik that were not available in the Nik applications themselves. I find these additions to be really great.

      -Brian

  19. 40
    ) Mike B
    June 19, 2014 at 4:01 am

    A very interesting and occasionally spikey debate, I use LR5 and Nik in my workflow, I have purchased both and as Nik is not supported by Adobe I see no reason to join up, but it does look a a good deal if you have older versions of Adobe software.

    What I have to ask myself is it worth joining for the extra benefit of CC and what if LR is upgraded, replaced or even dropped, the tone of the debate seems to be weighted slightly in favour of CC, but I will continue sitting on the fence.

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      42
      ) Brian Gaschler
      June 19, 2014 at 4:08 am

      Hi Mike,

      Nik is absolutely supported by Adobe. Please see my original post (comment #11) and my response to Ron (comment #41).

      -Brian

      • 45
        ) Mike B
        June 19, 2014 at 5:48 am

        Hi Brian,

        Thanks for that, when I read your excellent post I looked at the CS3 bit, did not pick up on it, now I wonder should I get off the fence, I will read those posts again and this time take them in properly.

        Since I have had the Nik software (about 6 months) I have not noticed any software update posts despite checking regularly, maybe it’s me.

        Mike

        Ps liked your reply to an earlier less complimentary post.

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          ) Brian Gaschler
          June 19, 2014 at 5:37 pm

          Hi Mike,

          Glad you liked my earlier, less complimentary post ;)

          And you’re quite welcome for the information I posted. What I love most about Photography Life’s articles is that it gives fellow photographers a space to help each other out (it certainly gives me a space to learn quite a bit from others).

          I’ve used Nik’s software for years, now. I really like their offerings — especially Silver Efex. I can tell you from my own workflow, it’s been really great importing photos from Lightroom (with edits) into Photoshop CC as a Smart Object, and then using Nik’s various plugins as layers in the newly created .psd file. I no longer have to have 4-5 different TIFF files of the same photo, each with a plugin alteration, just in case I want to go back to one and change things up. Rather, with CC, I can get in there with one file, enable Nik’s pre-sharpening plugin as a layer, then go into Color Efex Pro as a second layer, then hop back into Photoshop CC to clean/adjust elements in additional layers, then perhaps convert to B&W in a Silver Efex Pro layer, and then, if I’m ready to send the image off to print, create a new output sharpening layer for the image that mirrors my print lab’s output. I really appreciate that I can accomplish this all in Photoshop now, in one file, with each layer having its entire history recorded, replicable and reversible. What’s even more beneficial for me is I can then go back to that same .psd file in Lightoom at some later date, open it up in Photoshop again, and all the layers are still there, open to further refinement or removal. It makes it easy to keep my images consistent with their ‘feel,’ which is especially great for me when I have one image that a client really likes and wants me to replicate in other poses. Finally, I can also use brush functions in the Nik plugins instead of only relying on control points exclusively.

          I know this is old news for photographers that had been using CS6 with the plugins, but for me, having come from CS3, it’s a huge improvement to how I work.

          BTW: I believe Nik’s software updates take place in the background, unbeknown to the user, which could explain why you haven’t seen any update requests. This is a relatively new feature to their software, I believe. Check out this link from Nik’s page: https://support.google.com/nikcollection/answer/4400822?hl=en

          One could say it’s similar to what Adobe is doing with it’s CC applications. I wonder why there isn’t more fuss about Nik’s automatic updating strategy — only Adobe’s. Hmmm…

          -Brian

          • 74
            ) Mike B
            June 20, 2014 at 7:05 am

            Hi Brian

            I really appreciate your full an explanatory answers, also your opening paragraph on helping fellow photographers via this website is absolutely spot on.

            I have been very satisfied with the Nik software since purchasing it some months a go, with the only minus being as you highlighted the multiplication of TIFF files every time a different process achieved, I will now seriously look at CC. (once the World Cup is over)

            I also checked out DXo and onOne software recently but found that Nik could not be bettered, I am comfortable with the workflow and pleased with the end product using LR5 and Nik, I did not find any reason to change my current working software.

            Mike

  20. 43
    ) Ron Fullelove
    June 19, 2014 at 5:23 am

    Hi Brian,
    Many thanks for your detailed response.
    I like the sound of the smart objects.
    For me as an elements user I think it makes sense to upgrade to CC as I will obviously have more functionality than at present.
    Thank you.

  21. 44
    ) Bish Runyan
    June 19, 2014 at 5:37 am

    My first impression when Adobe initially offered the monthly payment program was “no way”! I still pretty much detest the whole idea of leasing software and storage but am becoming so frustrated with the lack of an Aperture update (Aperture has been my software of choice for the last several years) that I may try to rethink this. I bought LR4 when it came out but did not see enough improvement for my needs to justify the switch from Aperture. My NIK plugins work with both. Apple is missing a huge opportunity created by the controversy associated with Adobe’s new approach. If a significantly updated version of Aperture were to be introduced to the marketplace Apple would gain a significant share of the market! A big problem for me is that I resent the monthly charge so much I’m not sure I can get passed the resentment! It’s not that I can’t afford the $10-$50 a month. I can’t justify it. Put me in the “it’s evil” column.

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      58
      ) Brian Gaschler
      June 19, 2014 at 6:02 pm

      Hi Bish,

      I totally hear you on the reluctance of leasing services. I was really against the whole idea for a long time, myself chalking it up to “it’s evil.” But then I got to thinking just how much I already lease, as it were, and how maybe my conception of “ownership” was a bit off, a bit vague and certainly a bit limiting. It actually all came to me one day while I ranted to a fellow photographer about it all. As I heard myself speaking against the concept of Cloud Computing writ large, I saw the gaps in my reasoning unfold: Cell phone service — leased; Google Drive storage — leased; Apartment — leased; gas and electric — leased; former automobiles — leased. The list goes on and on. Choosing to not lease is of course fine. The result of not leasing cell phone coverage is a higher per-month cost; the cost of not leasing external storage is replacing failed drives; the cost of not leasing an apartment are (too many to list); and the cost of not leasing Photoshop is now being held to your last current “owned” version. Which could also be fine… for quite a while, I assume. I remedied my own reluctance by examining all that already lease, and by looking at the reality of how much leasing Photoshop CC was going to cost me over time. It’s an individual decision regarding the cost. For me, not having to pay to update to subsequent versions on top of the already high price to “own” the software made financial sense. Upgrades to Lightroom have hovered around $80.00 and up per version, with upgrades to Photoshop being far more. And with most people upgrading as new version come out, it seems to me people may have “owned” previous versions, but they traded them in for a new version much like trading in a car for a new one. What good did owning the old version do versus leasing it, if the relative cost is less to lease, and the benefit of newer versions is seamless?

      Well, I think everyone ought to know my thoughts on CC by now, after so many comments. I just think it’s interesting how I was totally against Adobe’s CC shift, seemingly on principle alone, and I’ve come to embrace it after a careful examination of what I was really against from the start: “Change”

      -Brian

      -Brian

      • 61
        ) Motti
        June 19, 2014 at 8:13 pm

        Brian, you just brought up a great point that highlight the corrosion big companies make in our wallets and in our perception; LEASE.

        Anyone with a lot of money (most of them anyway) will tell you that owning is actually a much better investment. Even owning a car. A lease system was not created to benefit you but the companies that lease it to you. Adobe realized the opportunity and like many others created a leasing system. The problem is that very soon they will stop offering the buying option.

        With most products you have the buying option. Cell phones, homes, cars etc. People that can afford it, buy. Although things do lose value (except maybe real estate) the use of premium gadgets and cars has its benefits, then they can be sold.

        It is already long time that we are not allowed to sell digital property. Our programs, songs, movies etc. are all of a sudden not ours, even though we paid GOOD MONEY for it, it the property of a company that “leased” us the right to use it. What a joke! I could sold my vinyl records and my tape cassettes the same way I could sell my old car. Not anymore.

        Your argument shows how slowly we became so used to it that we do not think it s wrong anymore. Think how this would have perceived 10 years ago. Our perception is distorted by great marketing efforts and a huge push to buy and buy and buy more. Or rather lease and lease and lease more.

        The ones that own everything have all the money…we have the bills.

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          62
          ) Brian Gaschler
          June 19, 2014 at 9:34 pm

          Hi Motti,

          You’re stance is certainly very similar to my own. For a long time, I’ve been totally appalled by the lack of true ownership of all things tech for some time. One of my ongoing rants to this day is iTunes (and by proxy the iPhone): I love the interface of iTunes, but I have for some time refused to purchase any music on iTunes because I would not truly own it — rather, I would be allowed to use (lease) it only on a limited number of computers/devises, with a limited number of activations. I can not let another person use my purchased songs for their own devises (like loaning them a CD or cassette long ago), nor can I transfer this music to use on another, non-Apple device. On top of all that, what infuriates me is that iTunes is asking me to pay to lease a song at a quality of 128/kbps for the same price as a CD’s song — never mind that CD quality is well over 100o/kbps. The discerning ear can always hear the difference between the purchased iTunes song and the full-quality CD song. *Balks*

          As technology has moved forward, along the way we’ve (the collective we) traded in quality for convenience. I say we in the collective sense because we did in fact make a choice in this. People wanted an iPod that held lots of songs. Storage has always been limited and expensive, relative to other things. We could have had CD-quality music, but only fit 10 albums on our iPods; or we could compress that music and lose some of the data and fit 1000 albums on our iPods. We chose the latter. We trade quality for convenience all the time (think about digital conversations via text versus a genuine phone call or better still, physical meet-up). Our lives have switched — seemingly overnight — to one based on quick, fast, convenient and impersonal, just as we have embraced technologies that promise to reconnect us to one another. This is our reality because this is what we embraced and in many ways asked for. Well, we got what we asked for. No… we invented what we wanted, and then we marketed it and sold it and consumed it. Now we critique it.

          And while I agree with much of what you’re saying about it being a good investment to “own” something versus “renting” it, I do not think that leasing is something that we have become used to because of Big-Bad-Business ruling our worlds (as if it were an all-powerful entity like our former conceptions of Government, with a capital G). That places the blame away from our choices and empowers something else other than ourselves. It’s not really a matter of wrong vs. right in my mind, and that “we no longer think it’s wrong”: instead, I feel it’s a matter of what we have asked for and what we have been offered and accepted along the way. Our perceptions are indeed distorted by marketing, but only to the extent that marketers do in fact know when and how we are susceptible to and amenable to manipulation, because marketers are “us,” too — not some alien force that secretly infiltrated our society as we slept and took full control of our choices for us.

          In other words, offerings like Adobe Photoshop CC do not exist in a vacuum any more than than they are forced upon us. The collective “we” have contributed to this offering in various ways (grumbling that updates don’t come fast enough; grumbling that Photoshop is too expensive; and so on), just as we have come to expect our programmes to function on multiple applications and sync over to others seamlessly. It’s a co-production, in my mind. All of it. Leasing cars, included. If people didn’t want a new car every 6 years, leasing would lose its appeal, but people DO want a new car every 6 years, by and large. And people do want the latest incarnation of the iPhone. And people do want content aware features in Photoshop. And people do want soft proofing in Lightroom. And 36MP camera sensors, and gelded lenses, and phase-detect auto-focus, and an array of other “improvements” that have always come at the cost of something else–quite often, something that was of a “different” quality from a “different” era. It’s not right or wrong in my mind, it’s just different. And this is what I meant in my much earlier statement that this is “our lament.”

          -Brian

          • 63
            ) Motti
            June 19, 2014 at 10:33 pm

            Well said. I myself own a car and lease the second and plan to buy it out when the lease is done. It makes a lot of sense. I too opt for convenient however, many opt for it because convenience stems from the simple fact the owning is out of reach for many of us.

            I agree with everything you say but think about it; Companies inflate prices and then offers to lease it to you. “Who cares how much it costs, you can lease it for a small amount of $xx a month or so” how about that?.

            Here is a small example (forgive me, I am not an economist so I am using small and simple examples). A VW Beetle cost $1560 in 1960. The average salary in 1960 was $6,000. That makes the Beetle about %25 of the yearly income. Today’s average salary is $51,00 but the VW Beetle is around $21,000 that is just less than a half of the average salary. My point? Our salaries are way lower compared to products cost. Not all the times of course but many of the high ticket price items are way out of proportion. So, when companies realized that making more profit will be difficult because people do not have enough money they invented the lease, or the line of credit.

            Now you can buy things that only reach could afford and you pay monthly. Never mind that your cost will in reality will double or triple but you can “feel” like a rich man.

            Anyway, we can debate it until we blue in the face, I don’t like the renting option. For now, my PS CS6 is plenty (heck, CS is good enough for me) and my Lightroom 4 is more than enough. I might upgrade to LR5 but that would be it for the next two to three years.

            Cheers Brian, keep up the good work

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              64
              ) Brian Gaschler
              June 20, 2014 at 12:07 am

              Thanks for the great dialogue, Motti! All my diatribe on here… yet, if my ‘owned’ copy of CS3 would have allowed me to use my ‘owned’ Nik Collection plugins as smart objects via my ‘owned’ Lightroom versions 4 or 5, I would not have jumped to ‘lease’ Photoshop CC… at least, not at this time.

              Keep up the good work yourself! ‘See ya’ on another post in the future, I’m sure.

              (And Nasim and team, thanks for creating a space for such dialogue to exist)

              -Brian

          • 72
            ) Patrick O'Connor
            June 20, 2014 at 5:10 am

            Well said (as Motti already noted) with one caveat. The collective we, you speak of, doesn’t include all of us. I, among others, never asked for, or contributed to, any of these things. Not one single thing in your list. And you wouldn’t believe the incredulous looks and derisive comments I get for that.
            “In an insane society, a sane man must appear insane.” ~Mr. Spock
            In my case, however, I am at least a little crazy… ;-)

            • 85
              ) Motti
              June 21, 2014 at 8:42 pm

              Hey Patrick, you are also called crazy all the time? :-). Good for you!

            • 87
              ) Patrick O'Connor
              June 21, 2014 at 9:22 pm

              Not all the time. Sometimes, I’m alone! :-)

  22. 46
    ) Patrick O'Connor
    June 19, 2014 at 6:26 am

    The Creative Suite apps, and Photoshop in particular, are fairly mature now. This makes it difficult for Adobe to come out with compelling new features that will entice a lot of users to upgrade. This has always been a problem for software companies and it’s getting worse all the time. A lot of software companies are looking at new ways to get enough revenue, in a predictable way, to stay in business.
    For the same reasons, some people (like me) resist upgrading in general, and subscription services in particular due to the perceived “big brother” tactic.
    If you want to get CC, go for it. If you don’t, don’t. Adobe will either continue this business model or not. It just doesn’t matter because “all the really good looking girls would still go out with the guys from Mohawk because they’ve got all the money.” :-)

  23. 47
    ) Alan Barker
    June 19, 2014 at 6:41 am

    I have lightroom 5 and PSE 12.

    Adobe’s rental offering is becoming financially attractive but I have not grasped what happens when Lightroom 6 is released – will this automatically be updated within the CC package?. Sorry if this has already been covered and I have missed it.

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    ) Mike Banks
    June 19, 2014 at 8:09 am

    I’m not as computer savvy as most of you and when I first took a look at Photo Shop it confused the heck out of me. Finally, a friend convinced me to add Lightroom so I could produce and control my own work flow. I have Light Room 5.4 on my computer and laptop and from this advisory I will upgrade to the 5.5 in a few days. I want to wait to see if some of the still not fixed items mentioned in this thread are corrected.

    Once comfortable with LR a this good friend introduced me to the Topaz Suite and several other programs. Nik Silver Effects Pro, Nik Noise and Portrait Pro’s latest edition. I can do pretty much everything that PS does in Topaz and am very happy with the learning curve of the other programs. I guess what I am saying is I don’t think I’ll switch to PS CC unless some of you can convenience me it is really necessary.

    When traveling for business I don’t work on previous files as I am only concentrating on the upcoming assignment. That’s just the way I work. I do carry my laptop and back up files to that as well as the external hard drives I have with me and back up again when I get back home. Personally, as I stated previously, I’m not computer world literate so I don’t trust the cloud with my files, at least not yet. Am I being silly with this attitude?

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      ) Brian Gaschler
      June 20, 2014 at 12:28 am

      Hi Mike,

      I don’t think any convincing to move to Photoshop is necessary at all. Your plugins are super powerful and will help you create and polish really great images. Of course Photoshop can do what no other programme or plugin can do, and do it very well. But those tasks are very much needed by very few. There is a very big difference in the finished quality of a photograph that was run through Portrait Pro or Nik Color Efex Pro for skin retouching, versus a lengthy session of ‘frequency separation’ for skin retouching via Photoshop. However, in my experience, unless one is very experienced with Photoshop, which I most certainly am not, the quality stands to suffer from not knowing how to use the better programme’s features correctly. The bulk of my skin retouching takes place in Lightroom and then Color Efex, through some recipes I’ve created that get me a good part of the way there with a single click. I only use Photoshop for the client that really wants some serious work done for a senior picture or head shot, and that are willing to pay me for the extra time!

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        ) Mike Banks
        June 20, 2014 at 7:20 am

        Hello Brian and thanks for your reply.

        I completely understand your point. I am a busy forensic medical and criminalist photographer but love to do portrait work especially photographing my grandchildren and some of the neighbors children. I work with other photographers as second shooter which is very good for me because they take the responsibility of developing my captures. As I noted above, the programs I use I use for most of my other work but when I want achievable prints, I work with several professional labs that do the retouching for me. I’m sure they use Photoshop and yes they charge extra which I am able to pass on to my clients; but I need the advanced expertise they possess that I don’t have, and would take years to obtain. I possibly could spend hours learning the Photoshop program but then I would not be able to spend my time making photographs.

        Were I younger I would do just that, spend more time learning the technical points of the computer programs which we use to finish our capture. I’m very good in the “darkroom” but very rarely use film any more. (Only for special projects and never smaller than 4×5). I do feel my off business time is better spent making photographs and letting experts finish the projects for me. Fortunately I can afford it.

        I will say however, I am envious of all of you here who do understand these complex programs and can complete a project from start to finish by yourselves. There are times when I read a thread like this one and a commenter says something and I haven’t a clue what he/she/their talking about. Oh well, I know the people who create my final images do and I have been very successful finding those wonderfully talented folks who listen to me and can get me exactly what I want. Maybe we can chalk it up to my laziness. LOL

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          ) Brian Gaschler
          June 20, 2014 at 3:05 pm

          I’ll say this for the computer-side of my own photography: it has radically changed my photography as a whole, and not necessarily in a wholly positive way. I spend far more time than I would like “developing” my photographs (that is, sitting behind my computer). Like you, I have a background with film and with development in the darkroom. I remember development being a much simpler and faster process — making contact sheets for a few rolls of film and then selecting the best 1 or 2 photos for a test print to work until I realised an excellent (a subjective assessment) print. Now, I seem to amass thousands of photographs per year, and photographs that should probably be trashed somehow end up in my workflow. I think much can be said (and has been said) about just getting out shooting more, with less emphasis on the technical wizardry that is now possible with programmes such as Photoshop.

          And you’re not alone in ‘outsourcing’ your workflow to other, more competent digital development professionals. There’s a reason why companies such as Gigantic Squid (http://giganticsquid.com/) do so well: they are /very/ good at what they do, and they free up photographers to do what /they/ do best: take photographs!

          I say don’t be envious of those who understand these increasingly complex programmes. While there is satisfaction in developing a photograph from start to finish by oneself, there are various negatives to that process, as well.

          Anyway, best of luck in all your photographic endeavours.

          -Brian

  25. 49
    ) Don Smith
    June 19, 2014 at 8:24 am

    FYI, if you are searching for LR Mobile or Lightroom Mobile for the iPhone on the app store, the proper search term and title of the app is “Adobe Lightroom for iPhone”

  26. 53
    ) Virag
    June 19, 2014 at 11:55 am

    May be , don’t know much about PS
    My laptop is TOTAL Adobe free. Instead of PS , i use GIMP. LR is good product , hope soon we will have freeware in same line. Currently happy with GIMP

  27. 54
    ) Niels Knelis
    June 19, 2014 at 11:56 am

    I would like to have my lightroom archive on a cloud server (not a desktop) and access it through the internet. Recent work I would also keep on my laptop but delete it from my laptop as soon I deliver the work to the client.

    Does anyone have experiences with this sort of set up, or know services? Otherwise I might ask an IT friend of mine to let me rent a server. I might get a better deal on storage this way. I would love to hear some of your experiences and tips for setting it up.

    Cheers!

  28. 55
    ) Don Smith
    June 19, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    You could use Drop Box

    • 77
      ) Niels Knelis
      June 20, 2014 at 10:38 am

      Hello Don,

      I have considered this, but dropbox will keep a copy of the files on my laptop. I want to access them virtually.

      • 79
        ) Don Smith
        June 20, 2014 at 12:04 pm

        Niels,

        You can still access your files on dropbox from any computer by going to dropbox and signing in

      • 92
        ) sparda79
        June 25, 2014 at 4:04 am

        You can actually unsync folders through selective sync in dropbox so that the folder will be available on the cloud, but removed from your laptop.

  29. 56
    ) David Meyers
    June 19, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    I skimmed through the above comments and didn’t see any mention of what for me kills the current subscription plan, which is that after renting their software for years, I can never stop, because if I stop I end up with nothing. If after some amount of subscription revenue – maybe some small number of hundreds of dollars – I could decide to just keep what I then have, I’d consider it.

  30. 65
    ) Dirk
    June 20, 2014 at 12:26 am

    Have subscribed me for the Creative Cloud Photography plan (Photoshop and Lightroom) and it seems that I have ONLY 2GB of cloud space and NO Behance ProSite! Can somebody of Adobe explain me why!

    • June 20, 2014 at 12:53 am

      Dirk, I believe the previous offer with Behance and 20GB of cloud space was only a limited time offer last year. This current offer is a bit different and does not have all those bells and whistles.

      • 68
        ) Dirk
        June 20, 2014 at 1:07 am

        Don’t understand this… If you choose another NON photography plan, you get 20GB. AND a ProSite!
        Well done Adobe!

        • June 20, 2014 at 1:13 am

          LOL, well, that’s Adobe for you with their screw-ups :)

          • 71
            ) Dirk
            June 20, 2014 at 3:47 am

            I cancelled my plan CC Photography … sad Adobe, very sad!!!

            • 88
              ) Patrick O'Connor
              June 21, 2014 at 9:31 pm

              If you want to cancel, that’s fine. But I wouldn’t cancel due to the lack of “Cloud” space and the ProSite. The other plans cost more money. If you got Photoshop that way, you’d be paying $10/month more and not getting Lightroom. If you got everything, you’d be paying $40/month more. It sounds like you want something for nothing.

  31. 70
    ) Erol Cagdas
    June 20, 2014 at 1:28 am

    Was happily using Capture NX2 with all the NIK plugins. Then I started to explore Lightroom last year and really got to like it. Paid close to € 130-140 or something for it.

    I then got into Fuji X, and found out that LR was not really rendering the RAW files to my satisfaction, so I tried all types; Photo Ninja, Silkypix, Capture One, even the free “Lightzone”. None of them really appealed to me.

    I then did a trial with PS. Even though I really did not need it as much, I decided to keep it anyway, as I could do some little extra things easier for me (still learning how to use it basically). So I signed up for the CC at € 12,29 per month which is nearly € 150 on a yearly basis. I would not spend nearly € 1000,- just for Photoshop alone, no way. So I am quite content with my setup and personally I consider it a good deal since LR5 alone is € 130,- approx now, and and update would be around € 70-80. For the € 60-70 difference I have photoshop as an extra now and I think it is very reasonable.

    Just want to keep it simple and enjoy photography vs computer science.

    • 73
      ) Bish Runyan
      June 20, 2014 at 6:33 am

      Erol, I totally get where you’re coming from. While I’m not as computer literate as some, I do know my way around an iMac pretty well. I worked in the petroleum industry as a lab supervisor for years & spent huge parts of my time at work on the computer. I had a darkroom for many years too and one of my reasons for holding out with film so long was to avoid more time in front of the computer. I still try and get it as correct as I can in camera but find more often than not that I can improve an already nice image with at least some PP. I try and keep things as quick and simple on the computer as I can so my spare time can be spent behind a camera instead of a keyboard! Two comments and I’ll hush.
      1. What I really like about using the computer for photography is the ability to share my photos!
      2. I try and remember a quote from our IT guy from way back before they were even called IT guys, “To err is human but to really screw things up you need a computer”.

  32. 76
    ) Augustine
    June 20, 2014 at 10:36 am

    Is Photoshop CC, bundled with this offer for $9.99, a full featured version? Am a bit confused about that since their price for a single app is still $19.99.

    • 80
      ) Don Smith
      June 20, 2014 at 12:07 pm

      Yes

  33. 83
    ) Jen
    June 21, 2014 at 9:24 am

    What a headache – I’m only a beginner/hobbyist and when starting last year, I subscribed to the student/teacher plan as I work for a University. I didn’t realize the $19.99 was only for a year and have now been paying $32.09 (with tax) the past 3 months – when I basically only use PS and LR. Contacted Adobe support and went round and round – first she offered me 2 months free, then another year at $19.99 and finally got the answer to my question – that yes, I can switch to the Photography plan, which makes the most sense for me. I would have liked to explore the other options I had with CC but not at the cost of $385 a year, when I really only need the 2 apps

  34. June 22, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    My apologies if anyone else has already stated this. I have resisted the CC so far because I have witnessed the headaches it causes for my girlfriend (pro photographer Dawn Kish). We go on a lot of travels together and don’t always have internet. When Adobe “checks in” to see if your CC hostage payments are up-to-date, if you aren’t online, Adobe shuts down your programs. I’m on Lightroom (bought and owned version, not CC) and I can still work while Dawn gets shut down. Not sure if Adobe has addressed this drawback (for instance let you pay for the whole year so you don’t get booted from the cloud if you’re not online at the right moment), but it is something to consider. Dawn needs Premiere Pro so is stuck with CC, however I make do on Lightroom 5 and CS5.

  35. 93
    ) Hoeras
    July 10, 2014 at 7:48 am

    Just a quick question: If I go on the $9.99 plan, will it allow me to use it both on my Laptop when out and about, and my Desktop when home?

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